just broadcast the first issue of "Le Xia 2" yesterday, have you seen it?
stayed up all night and finished 3 hours of floating, just want to shout, don’t get dry again, summer is really going to pass!
Source | "Summer of the Band 2"
This is the "Hi" that music should bring.
is not like a while ago, there was a big "turmoil" in the music circle-the new song
R1SE is suspected of plagiarizing
, the original innovative song "Mom Telling You Don't Cry" by the previous R1SE team.
was immediately pointed out by netizens for plagiarizing Caodong’s "Blowing Gale" without a party. After
, R1SE member Zhang Yanqi responded, not plagiarism, but "tribute".
Rock and roll fans are facing boy group fans. The
well water does not offend the rice ring and rolling ring of the river water, and pinches each other for the first time. The
R1SE fans expressed indignantly that you just look down on the idol men's team and despise the chain warning.
Of course, "just passers-by" are indispensable.
But there are also rock bloggers who come out and say that this is not plagiarism, it is considered "high imitation."
So, is it because netizens are "empty ears to copy", or is it true that plagiarism is true?
is really big.
R1SE This matter, the reason why everyone insists on the same thing, the more noisy, the more "lively". In the final analysis,
is still because of the old topic that cannot be avoided when "plagiarism" is mentioned-how does
distinguish "plagiarism", "imitation" and "tribute"? The boundaries and standards of
are vague, and everyone has a reasonable point.
Let's talk about the most basic ones first:
in the field of music, "imitation", "tribute" and "plagiarism", what is going on?
"Imitation" is easier to understand.
takes a certain musician's work as a blueprint to copy and imitate part of it, which is a typical imitation behavior.
Yuan Yawei’s early singing skills rely on imitating soul music CDs to learn
, but it needs to be pointed out that imitation is actually the only way for many musicians.
From photographing cats and tigers, to mastering, and then to establishing their own style, many musicians start this way.
Even if there is no party in Caodong, it is no exception.
Music fans who are familiar with rock music can easily find the influence of bands such as Nirvana in their music.
talk about the most influential band
. However, musicians can succeed, never because they imitate well enough.
is able to find one's own position and way of expression in imitation and learning. If
is purely mechanical imitation, without emphasis on self-style and creativity, it is not much worse than plagiarism.
is more "imitation", "tribute" can be understood as a further "fan behavior" of musicians.
On the talent show, Fan Xiaoxuan was moved to tears by fans’ original tribute tracks
They imitated their idols to create, in order to express their respect and admiration.
Wang Wanzhi tribute to idolBjork's song "Jasper".
adopts Bjork's most iconic string and experimental electronic beats, and the singing style and segmentation are also close to the singing style, and even the MV and modeling have also learned a lot.
But the final product still retains the distinctive Wang Wanzhi style.
can reflect one's own personality in the inheritance, which can be said to be a model of "tribute".
say "plagiarism" again. In fact,
imitates without modification and creation, to a certain extent, it is plagiarism.
But the difficulty is that this "degree" is quite difficult to control.
music is not like text, it can be detected by checking duplicates. The plagiarism of
songs often involves elements such as mode, chord, harmony, rhythm and orchestration. Different types of music have different characteristics, so it is difficult to generalize. To put it plainly, it is not that simple to characterize a song as "plagiarism".
At least, many netizens point out that a song is "plagiarism" based on personal experience alone. This judgment of
is obviously too willful and unfair. The most convincing thing about
is, of course, plagiarism determined through legal procedures.
However, there is no specific standard for the judgment of plagiarism in the law.
This undoubtedly led to this. In many cases, "tribute" has become a justification for "plagiarism".
As for R1SE's "Mom Telling You Don't Cry", and Caodong's "Blowing the Wind", there are indeed similarities in terms of melody, orchestration, chords, and conception.
But we don't have any evidence to confirm the suspected plagiarism of this song. It is obviously unfair for
to define "Mom Telling You Don't Cry" as a "plagiarism".
So is it "tribute"? When
Peng Jiahui played on the same stage with idol Lin Yilian, he sang "Fall in Love with a Person Who Doesn't Go Home".
Source | " singer 2017"
Wu Kequn and Hu Yanbin, also used Tao Zhe's classic songs to pay tribute to idols.
Source | "Almighty Star Wars"
salute, then at least it must reflect the heart of the tribute.
fully reflects the attention and affection of the tribute-at least it can make the tribute and its fans feel happy and gratified after appreciation.
How do you feel when Caodong has no party and their fans hear "Mom Tell You Don't Cry"?
Actually, in Giao's opinion, the song is imitating at best.
and it is not a high imitation-because R1SE only imitates the outline, the core is not touched.
This new R1SE song is suspected of plagiarism, except for the "plagiarism standard" that is worth discussing.
What makes Piao care about is actually the work itself. While denying plagiarism,
R1SE did not realize that it used an "original song" with a very low degree of originality to deal with the audience.
may be another thing that needs their thinking.
To be honest, R1SE wants to try rock and roll, and it seems understandable to copy from a familiar band.
's pursuit of breakthrough positioning is also worthy of recognition.
But the premise is that this is not a qualified, high-quality work that can be put on the market.
can't afford such a tall persongas?
Source | QQ Music
only from the perspective of personal standards, this song is acceptable as an exercise, but it is really lack of sincerity when it comes to the market.
First of all, "Mom Tells You Don't Cry", the grass is everywhere, but it is not as good as it.
has many musicians influencing Caodong, which can also be reflected in their music. And between active learning or subtle, what Caodong makes is very individual music with Caodong label.
such as "The Gale Blows."
Low-fidelity music (Lo-Fi) and grunge rock (Grunge) are both musical styles born in the 90s, characterized by a harsh and chaotic black fog texture, typical of Nirvana's works.
's use of this style is the most outstanding part of "Blowing Gale". It can be said that Caodong is fully integrated and has made his own style.
The first half of "The Gale Blows" is in a folk style, with a gentle narrative, but a deep feeling of helplessness and loneliness in the understatement.
It was not until the last minute of the song that the iconic distorted electric guitar, intense drum beats and vaguely noisy reverberations of Greasy Rock arrived late.
accumulated the emotions of the whole song, and it was vented in the roar and roar instantly.
Their indignation and frustration magnified and magnified in the hustle and bustle, but no matter how loud the frustration was, there was still no response.
How like the situation of our generation.
is precisely this kind of banter and helplessness that makes "The Wind Blow" aroused so much resonance.
and "Mom told you not to cry"?
just as they said: "There is no gun, no cannon, the enemy made it for us."
They seem to have refined the important elements of "Blowing Gale", but they have simplified them all. The melody of
is a little barren, the arrangement is inadequate, and the details are very clumsy.
For example, "The Great Wind Blows" borrows the mouth of a child to tell the loneliness of being in the world.
△ Caodong drummer Liu Li elaborated on the theme of "Ugly Slave"
lyrics "Tell your mother to take you to buy toys", followed by "that thing we have long dismissed", and mentioned "children make friends". The few words
describe the loneliness of childhood and can also trigger adults' associations with personal circumstances.
"To blame for time, it gives the beginning; to blame for time, it gives the end".
The two sentences with obscure semantics actually express the helplessness of not knowing whom to blame.
Caodong's words are not obscure, not hypocritical, and rely on the sharpness of the image but the flesh.
The text is simple and the rhetoric is concise, but it has the power to make people feel the same.
The album "Ugly Nuer" to which "The Great Wind Blows" is taken from Xin Qiji's poem "Ugly Nuer·Shubo Mountain Road Middle Wall", which uses the first sentence of the phrase "you do not know the taste of sadness".
△ "Ugly Slave" introduction copy
Their original intention has always been to depict the "sorrowful mood" of young people, even if no one listens to them, they must use music to sing their confusion and sorrow, and resolutely refuse to be dismissed because of youth .
raises questions about society, expresses the emotions of young people, and then reflects society and arouses reflection.
and this happens to be what R1SE did not reflect in "Mom Telling You Don't Cry".
In "Mom Telling You Don't Cry", there are also "mothers" and "children".
similarly cuts in from childhood fragments and tells the pain of the adult world.
△ R1SE "Mom Tells You Don't Cry"
△ There is no party in Caodong, "The Gale Blows"
expresses the depth and emotion of
, but it is more than a little different.
Caodong’s charm is the grief common to all of the same generation, which makes it hard to swallow.
Those young people can't explain the confusion and confusion, so they shouted hoarsely.
But at the same time, they are also using music to remind them not to forget what they mean as a "person".
△ Cao Dong’s acceptance speech at the Golden Sound Awards (published by the agent)
and R1SE, has been struggling not to cry and cry, but it makes people feel sad.
During the creation camp, Zhang Yanqi's attitude through music was one of its biggest labels.
Zhang Yanqi also joked that he was a person who gave up expression management in order to express his true feelings.
But this time, their expression is indeed not so direct. Maybe the problem with
is that they haven't had the same situation and thoughts as Caodong.
told an unconvincing story with a proposition that did not belong to them.
Caodong pearl jade is in front, similar images and subjects do not write new ideas, but appear crude.
In the end, the reason why "Mom Tells You Don't Cry" is not pleasing. The main reason for
is that it is completely under the shadow of "Blowing the Gale" and cannot make breakthroughs and innovations.
even R1SE's own style has been swallowed.
Cao Dong is also observing the world from the perspective of a young man-when
created "The Wind Blow", Cao Dong's age was almost the same as the current R1SE.
but the words and sentences all reflect their precipitation and thinking.
They do not provide mature and sober views, but raise the question of Caodong in the unique vision of young people.
△ Caodong lead singer Wu Du's views on the theme of music
Therefore, they have won the approval of music fans, from student bands to winning three Golden Melody Awards, from obscurity to hard-to-find tickets, nicknamed "Caodong has no tickets" . The success of
Caodong is attributed to their exploration of their own irreplaceable expression and aesthetic value.
and R1SE's song, Piao thinks that the biggest problem may lie in the imitation of
, which makes them ignore their own expression and narrative.
Faye Wong once talked about his views on learning and imitating other musicians in an interview-
likes a certain kind of music and naturally learns new places in it.
. So we will also hear some of Wang's music in the show of "Wu Man Wong".
The Cranberries, Tori Amos, Cocteau Twins and Teresa Teng and many other musicians have provided experience in the process of establishing her personal style.
Especially Teresa Teng, Faye Wong has always regarded him as her only idol, and has also released a cover album tribute to Teresa Teng.
Faye Wong’s unique style is neither an appropriation of the style of those predecessors, nor a simple superposition or chaos.
, but on the premise of having a certain grasp of one's own foundation and temperament, learning and reference to the outstanding.
She feels that imitation is inevitable, because there is no completely original music.
. Naturally, she thinks that she can come out of the "personal features" in the same time.
Source | 1997 TTV interview
Perhaps it is precisely because of this clear understanding that Faye Wong can form her own unique artistic personality while absorbing nutrients.
Therefore, Faye Wong's style is by no means "imitating from XX" can be summarized.
She is the only Faye Wong, not a copy of anyone. This is probably the highest level of
imitating.
can see the influence of predecessors, but without losing his own style and expression.
On the other hand, R1SE, as a newcomer, is not an idol lacking creativity.
Zhang Yanqi performed the original song "Fog" on the stage of the creation camp.
talked about his ordinary, failure and guilt, but also talked about his vow of hope to shine.
Source | " Creation Camp 2019"
talked with tears about the frustrations and perseverance encountered in life.
Isn't this really touching?
They have the talent to tell their own stories.
We want to listen to your music.
The premise is that you don't use your bowls and plates for takeaways from other homes. This approach of
dampens not only the reputation of the musicians themselves, but also the listeners who really want to know your music.
Naturally, there is flow, no matter what works you post, you don’t have to worry about fans buying it.
But, who remembers what Zhang Yanqi said before the performance in the second phase of the creation camp?
He said that being an original or an artist should not only think about how to express yourself, but how to guide others.
Source | "Creation Camp 2019"
Unfortunately, "Mom Tells You Don't Cry" not only failed to "guide", and even the most basic sincerity and attitude seemed to be a question mark.
Piao has always believed that the sincerity that can be seen is one of the most important qualities of music works, and it is also the basic professional ethics of music practitioners.
works that can be seen with sincerity and awe will never end in ridicule.
Source | "Creation Camp 2019"
