Luo Yuming is a professor and doctoral supervisor in the Chinese Department of Fudan University. Yu Xiuhua, poet and storyteller. On the evening of August 30, with the theme of "The Poetry and Reality of Life", these two true-hearted people who met for the first time had a brilli

Luo Yuming is a professor and doctoral supervisor in the Chinese Department of Fudan University.

Yu Xiuhua, poet and storyteller.

html On the evening of August 30, under the theme of "The Poetry and Reality of Life", these two true-hearted people who met for the first time had a brilliant conversation in the Executive MBA Lecture Hall of Fudan University, and the scene was filled with applause and laughter. .

At the beginning, Luo Yuming and Yu Xiuhua's attitude towards each other was respectful and humble. Luo Yuming, who came to the scene because he liked Yu Xiuhua's poems, modestly said: "Appearing on such an occasion at this age is a 'waste utilization'." Yu Xiuhua responded quickly: "If Teacher Luo is a 'waste', I hope all of China will be Such a 'waste'."

Maybe Luo Yuming is a free and easy-going person, or maybe Yu Xiuhua has a kind of directness and agility that is irresistible. From this, the conversation enters into a back-and-forth, but the opinions are not always consistent. A state of harmony.

Photo by Shi Chenlu during the conversation

Talking about his impression of Yu Xiuhua, Luo Yuming said: "Yu Xiuhua brings us beauty, strength and independence. He is really an amazing person." He said that the esthetician Gao Ertai has a book with the title of It's called "Beauty is a Symbol of Freedom", which is very suitable for Yu Xiuhua. "When a person expresses her consciousness and free spirit, she is truly beautiful."

Yu Xiuhua responded: "This sentence It can also be said the other way around - freedom is a symbol of beauty. "

Yu Xiuhua's poetry and dance theater "Ten Thousand Tons of Moonlight" will premiere in Shanghai in November. This is a dance drama jointly produced by China and Britain. Luo Yuming had seen footage of Yu Xiuhua's preview at the British Library in London.

"My body is not free, just like a tree cannot move, but 'dance' gives it a curved posture. I don't have any beauty genes in my body, but because I participate in poetry and art, it gives me the core of beauty." "Yu Xiuhua said, "I am very confident, and my beauty is very stable."

Photo by Yu Xiuhua Shi Chenlu

Event host Zou Ruiyue was curious about whether there is any difference between Yu Xiuhua's status in life and her writing status. Yu Xiuhua replied: "I regard myself as a small cell. Even if others can see you, it is just a passing thing. Therefore, I do what I like and please myself."

Luo Yuming said that in fact, everyone is a living thing. And who is incomplete, who can say that he is comprehensive? Through human power and will to create and depict the imperfections, this is life, this is human life.

Yu Xiuhua quickly replied: "Excessive perfection is also a kind of incompleteness, because it has no gaps."

"This talent or gift of depicting the beauty of life in the cracks is a special gift from God to you." Luo Yuming transferred Head said to the audience, "Yu Xiuhua's poetry collection has the largest circulation among new poems."

Yu Xiuhua described her relationship with poetry as "the best state of falling in love", "Poems find me, and I can also entertain them well." "

Luo Yuming said: "When I read Yu Xiuhua's poems, I sometimes feel horrified, oppressed, restless, and tingling."

Yu Xiuhua asked: "Is it just tingling?"

Luo Yuming explained, "It's tingling." The feeling comes from sharpness. Yu Xiuhua's poems sometimes reveal the deep pain in life and the things that are covered up and dulled in life, which makes people feel stinging. The uneasiness comes from a deeper level, "Living in this world, we are so What is the purpose of hard work? If you can't get anything in the end, why do you work hard? "

Yu Xiuhua said that reeds without thoughts are happy, and reeds with thoughts are painful. "Happiness and thoughts are balanced. This is my understanding. "

" Yu Xiuhua's poems often connect concrete pain to fundamental pain, making many readers feel the fundamental pain of life. The world is sometimes unfair and sometimes human nature is unfair. Brutal, then what are you living for?” Luo Yuming said, there may be two answers to this ultimate question, “One is beauty, we like art, some people are capable of creating art, beauty does not need meaning, beauty itself It is sufficient and sufficient, and secondly, people can still love.Beauty and love are also the two most important points in Yu Xiuhua's poetry. "

Luo Yuming Photo by Shi Chenlu

"Writing poetry does not require any meaning. Anyone who asks what the meaning of writing poetry is, I will think he is stupid. "Yu Xiuhua said, "I like to write poetry and enjoy writing poetry. Writing poetry is the meaning itself. "

In October 2014, Yu Xiuhua's song "Crossing Half of China to Sleep with You" was widely reposted. In January and February 2015, she published a collection of poems "Moonlight Falls on the Left Hand" and "The Shaking World" ", In May 2016, the third collection of poems "We Loved and Forgot" came out. The fourth book "Blooming in the Back Mountain" was published in April this year after 8 years of waiting.

"I don't remember my life before I became famous. At the bottom, after I became famous, I was still in that position. "Yu Xiuhua said that the status of a poet is not distinguished by economic status. "Although I think it is good to have money, I do not pursue writing for the pursuit of wealth. She said that if her writing has changed in the past ten years, it may be that the changes in the environment have affected her poems. "My family is in a very small village. I am very lucky. The construction of new rural areas has experienced great changes in these years." In the past, we lived in a tile-roofed house. When we opened the door, we could see rice fields and wheat. All the animals were raised in the house. Nowadays, houses are built on all the land. My dad is very worried about not having land. He says he is not grounded. When you see different things, your way of thinking and poetry will naturally change. "

Regarding her early poems, she said, "At that time, I had a special pursuit of love, so I wrote a lot. Of course, I think love is not something to be ashamed of. The love I know now is always great and is a treasure that a person internalizes. So they say that Yu Xiuhua is the "love brain" - I think I have the ability, do you have it? "

Luo Yuming teased Yu Xiuhua, "I have written four very good poetry collections, can I continue to do well? Yu Xiuhua replied: "My body has reached menopause, but my poetry is still in adolescence." Through the help and healing of my friends, I regained my vibrant creative ability. Of course, I can’t tell whether my writing is better or worse..."

Is love real in life or love in poetry? Regarding this question, Yu Xiuhua asked Luo Yuming: "To what extent do two people interact? , can it be considered true love? "

Luo Yuming said: "Life is very complicated, and there are many things to consider in life, such as family, children, daily differences..."

Yu Xiuhua interrupted: "If these are taken into consideration, it is not called love. "

Under Yu Xiuhua's questioning, Luo Yuming decided to answer in a concise way: "If I say that I love my wife, one thing I can probably say is that I can sacrifice everything, such as dying on her behalf. This is what I can do, but I'm afraid it's not enough. "

Yu Xiuhua's response made the scene burst into laughter: "If I love a man very much, I can die on his behalf, but if you want me to give him all my money, that won't work. "

"Poets are the most dangerous people in the world and also the most vulgar people. Poets are diverse and can be gentle and talk extraordinary, but I have to curse when I want to. "Yu Xiuhua said that living is the theme, literature is a by-product, and difficulties should not be the price of writing.

Luo Yuming said: "Difficulties are a way to see people and the world clearly. "

Yu Xiuhua said: "Poetic life is not an exquisite life, but a state of freedom. Love is mutual growth. The essence of love is not love, but respect. Regarding the setbacks she encountered in love, she said that her anger mainly came from her unbearable anger, "Time is a good medicine." I don't want to die when I'm at my worst, I must live a better life. "

In response to the audience's question "Should I be a painful philosopher or a happy pig?", Yu Xiuhua replied: "Why can't I have both? "

Regarding future love, she said: "If there is someone who responds to everything, my deadline is five years. I don't want to delay the other person for too long - even if he still loves me after such a long time, I can't stand it. "

The whole hall was filled with laughter and applause again.